a couple of them kept their names the same so those will be the easiest to reprint.
Symbiote believe it or not keeps its type in the mtg world, they have skin that resemble the surface of a Durian fruit, and they can mutate onto humans
And it¡¯s not just he mystery spider plane we see quite a few as well, even ¡°the edge¡± is shown (the weirdest one is the dinosaur spider hero, they cleverly did Ikoria for that one based on the looks of the art)
A lot of this looks really cool. I hope they actually print some of these cards in paper. I'm sure they will, though it'll be a trickle here or there. Some of these cards are pretty goofy. Others seems very reasonable with excellent flavor and art.
She conquers an undead horde through the power of cheering. Spectacular!
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A lot of this looks really cool. I hope they actually print some of these cards in paper. I'm sure they will, though it'll be a trickle here or there. Some of these cards are pretty goofy. Others seems very reasonable with excellent flavor and art.
She conquers an undead horde through the power of cheering. Spectacular!
I think those undead are actually either cellarspawn or wickerfolk
and maro saids there¡¯s no current plans right now but in the future I espect them to reprint these in future master set/precons/commander legend/other products will reprint them in these arts down the line
i, interested to learn where ¡°symbiotes¡± come from in mtg
I'm not completely surprised Wizards kept the Symbiote creature type since symbiotes are common in nature on Planet Earth. Unfortunately, symbiotes that live on humans tend to have names like Bifidobacterium spp. (example mutualist), head lice (example parasite), or tapeworms (example parasite)...
Very many cute spiders. I like the Saga. The Sagas in general do a good job.
While they did change some Spider Human hybrids to Spider Human team-ups, we get a healthy mix of team-ups and hybrids. I don't think every choice the made there works, but the variety probably helps.
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I'm a bit disappointed this is a multiplanar set. I really wanted to learn about a fun new setting more than having to puzzle out once again where each card comes from. I'm a bit split because a handful of the more well creatively matched UW cards are fun, but overall Spider-familiar world was promising.
Even as a flavor text enjoyer myself, I was hit hard by how much I underestimate the impact no flavor text has on this bunch. I hope there is some digital flavor text not shown that gives us some world-building for some of the new legendaries. Without a bunch of fun quips and quotes and world-building these many legendaries, lacking the backstory that allows the UB characters to work, are unfortunately really bland. Some of these might rank under generic legendaries from Legends.
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Planar Chaos was not a mistake neither was it random. You might want to look at it again.
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Goin through these really reaffirms my (and I assume many others) belief that magic is just better when it's kept withing its own world. For people who love spider man, I'm sure the spiderman art is great, and some of them I like, but 99% of these cards I'd rather have the UW versions, even the goofy ones.
Of course, I'm beating a dead horse, but WotC probably doesn't care about catering to people like me because they already have my attention/money...
Money is a silly thing to base art and play on
Okay, taking a second look... can somebody explain Remarkable Readings to me? Sometimes the creative is a bit of a stretch, but... I don't even get the process here.
In (maybe) unrelated news: I just realized that the multiplanar treatment of this might mean they get to use old unused art. They probably didn't have many pieces of art of a dude using an arachnid as a parachute lying around, but a Zendikari Goblin tied to a rock? Sure, I could see that.
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Planar Chaos was not a mistake neither was it random. You might want to look at it again.
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I guess the idea of Readings is that some cool discovery attracts people (not depicted) to come analyze it, like when a meteor hits and you come to see it and get meteor powers and clean up the 'hood. Arena has been using reject art for years, and it's on display here. Spider-Man is 0's across the board, but plenty of these are 1's. Just atrocious.
There seems to be some degree of outcry to print this version of the cards, so hopefully Wizards takes that to heart, especially considering the prospect of more Marvel sets (and more Through the Omenpaths) down the line.
I look at something like Aunt May the Magic card, and I roll my eyes. I see Zora, Spider Fancier, and I love her! I also love Common Crook for being just a common crook. I only wish it could commit a crime.
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Given the expense I can't imagine them doing this more than once or twice and instead just doing a better job licensing for these things digitally.
I don't think it's a matter of "better job", i think that Marvel and Sony have their own videogames so they didn't want to sell license for that.
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How i feel about competitive players and casual players in EDH: The competitive are german tourists, the casual are italian tourists, both in a italian beach. The italians asking themselves "why are the germans here?" make a legitimate question, the answer is because the beach is beautiful, no matter the country you came from. The italians wanting to ban the germans are dumb, because if the germans pay for their stay and follow the rules like everyone else, they have the right to be in the beach. Hovewer, if the germans started to ask themselves "why are the italians here?"... they would be dumb as hell.
Given the expense I can't imagine them doing this more than once or twice and instead just doing a better job licensing for these things digitally.
It's up to the IP holder to grant those things in the negotiation, in this case Disney/Marvel already gave out the digital license to another company, which is why this is happening. This very well may happen to the other Marvel sets as well, and I'm all for it. It means I can proxy these versions rather than not buy/use any UB.
In the end though WotC absolutely needs to figure out the reprint issues with UB. Once a license goes they can't reprint any of the UB cards as they are and they seem to be refusing UW versions.
I'm all for WotC forcing themselves to create Through the Omenpaths product and in the process making UW versions ready to reprint into paper if required. But folk should also remember that WotC has defied wishes for certain reprints long before UB existed just as part of business per usual.
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Given the expense I can't imagine them doing this more than once or twice and instead just doing a better job licensing for these things digitally.
It's up to the IP holder to grant those things in the negotiation, in this case Disney/Marvel already gave out the digital license to another company, which is why this is happening. This very well may happen to the other Marvel sets as well, and I'm all for it. It means I can proxy these versions rather than not buy/use any UB.
In the end though WotC absolutely needs to figure out the reprint issues with UB. Once a license goes they can't reprint any of the UB cards as they are and they seem to be refusing UW versions.
What reprint issue? Through the Omenpaths is a pretty clear demonstration of their ability to print the cards without the license (yes, not physically, but the primary obstacle is dealt with). It's only been 2 years since LTR, less than it usually takes to reprint high demand new cards. You can ask "where's the One Ring reprint?" and blame licensing, but what about Sheoldred, the Apocalypse? Where's the reprint for that? Or Orcish Bowmasters which doesn't even need a new name? Wizards uses high value reprints to sell products, have done so for years, will continue to do so regardless of what licensing agreement spawned the original card.
I do hope they print these in paper. In particular Fizik, which is a great addition in my cube but I really dislike Iron Spider.
Maro said there¡¯s no current plans
but I see that as a ¡°right now¡± thing because all the sets made after it are already set in place without the reprints so after thst might be possible
I do hope they print these in paper. In particular Fizik, which is a great addition in my cube but I really dislike Iron Spider.
Maro said there¡¯s no current plans
but I see that as a ¡°right now¡± thing because all the sets made after it are already set in place without the reprints so after thst might be possible
I'm sure at the very least they're trying to find a slot for Fleem.
Given the expense I can't imagine them doing this more than once or twice and instead just doing a better job licensing for these things digitally.
It's up to the IP holder to grant those things in the negotiation, in this case Disney/Marvel already gave out the digital license to another company, which is why this is happening. This very well may happen to the other Marvel sets as well, and I'm all for it. It means I can proxy these versions rather than not buy/use any UB.
In the end though WotC absolutely needs to figure out the reprint issues with UB. Once a license goes they can't reprint any of the UB cards as they are and they seem to be refusing UW versions.
These are all contract issues that clearly needed better negotiation. There's no reason they can't renegotiate with marvel snap or get unlimited license to reprint, where we are now seems to have come from either skepticism on the part of marvel or a weak hand or low offer from hasbro. Now that they've sold more final fantasy cards than the last ten mtg sets combined or whatever I think they'll be more aggressive in future negotiations.
I do hope they print these in paper. In particular Fizik, which is a great addition in my cube but I really dislike Iron Spider.
Maro said there¡¯s no current plans
but I see that as a ¡°right now¡± thing because all the sets made after it are already set in place without the reprints so after thst might be possible
I'm sure at the very least they're trying to find a slot for Fleem.
I definitely expect a fleem 2.0 pretty early in a product, I¡¯m just saying we probably won't see the paper version til atleast 2027-2028
oh by the way I think I have determined fleem might be from ¡°the edge¡± because of goben suit literally looks space like, the technology looks high tech, (including the halls/walls/building) and ¡°scientist¡± is a type only found in ¡°the edge¡± so far.
UB has a sole reprint issue. None of the UB cards can be reprinted without a new license agreement. I'm not speaking of UW, which WotC has stated no plans to do any at this time, for some reason, but the actual UB cards. A Gandalf the White cannot get a reprint at all without the consent from the IP holder; not a UW version, but that exact card with no changes. Without a license those cards are basically on the Reserved List, it's been the primary issue of UB since its inception in 2020. With their reprints in lock down those cards become more expensive, even with UW versions, because those very specific versions can't be touched, this causes problems with the secondary market and if a player comes in later it will be more difficult for them to get a hold of any Gandalf, Cloud, or Doctor card thanks to the way UB works.
Through the Omenpaths is a pretty clear demonstration of their ability to print the cards without the license (yes, not physically, but the primary obstacle is dealt with).
Omenpaths is a necessary solution to another problem of UB, the license agreements. Various IP holders may just grant them partial use (like Disney/Marvel with the Marvel sets not giving digital licensing.) WotC has gotten lucky so far, mainly because most of the IPs they've gotten didn't show up in digital immediately and the IP holders being easy to work with, but as we've seen with Spiderman, that won't always be the case.
It's only been 2 years since LTR, less than it usually takes to reprint high demand new cards. You can ask "where's the One Ring reprint?" and blame licensing, but what about Sheoldred, the Apocalypse? Where's the reprint for that? Or Orcish Bowmasters which doesn't even need a new name? Wizards uses high value reprints to sell products, have done so for years, will continue to do so regardless of what licensing agreement spawned the original card.
UB has been around for 5 years, it initially started with reprint issues with Walking Dead planned to have NO REPRINTS of any kind, it was only later that UW was created that a solution actually happened, and even then Walking Dead wasn't included until 3 years after it released. With the removal of Set Boosters that solution is now gone and with WotC currently refusing to do UW normally (Omenpaths is a necessity for them currently and they wouldn't do it if they didn't have to.) Once an agreement is gone they cannot reprint those cards which practically puts them on the Reserved List.
Take Lara Croft as just as an example. It's nearly been out for 3 years (currently 2 years & 10 months) and not one hint of a reprint, UB or UW, in sight (they could have slipped in a UW in MH3.) A limited release mechanically unique card just sits there being unable to get a hold of, easily, due to how WotC released it. Which is why it's $40, even though the card's just okay.
With UB being 5 years old and with it planned to be half the game WotC absolutely should have come up with a solution to its inherent flaws, and while they did so early on, they currently do not and it doesn't seem like they care at this point. They are exacerbating the problems by not only not figuring this out already, but neglecting to do so even now as the issues begin to grow with the popularity, lack of product, and scalping of FF to how the licensing worked with Spiderman & Marvel.
Magic has always had a reprint problem, from the Reserved List to them using reprint equity as a way to make sure a set(s) sell well, but to not have a solution to their current biggest product line after 5 years is abysmal. It shows a lack of forethought and planning.
These are all contract issues that clearly needed better negotiation. There's no reason they can't renegotiate with marvel snap or get unlimited license to reprint, where we are now seems to have come from either skepticism on the part of marvel or a weak hand or low offer from hasbro. Now that they've sold more final fantasy cards than the last ten mtg sets combined or whatever I think they'll be more aggressive in future negotiations.
I doubt an IP holder will allow unfettered use, even for reprints, of their product/IP. I know Disney will never let that happen. It's just the way these sorts of things work. Hell, take Hasbro as an example, they wouldn't let WotC use transform on the Transformers cards, even though Hasbro owns both WotC and Transformers. For the Gen 4 MLP show Hasbro just wouldn't let Lauren Faust, that show's creator, not use specific characters even though they weren't using them for anything.
Even when you're working for the IP holder they can be downright obstinate with what they allow.
UB has a sole reprint issue. None of the UB cards can be reprinted without a new license agreement. I'm not speaking of UW, which WotC has stated no plans to do any at this time, for some reason, but the actual UB cards. A Gandalf the White cannot get a reprint at all without the consent from the IP holder; not a UW version, but that exact card with no changes. Without a license those cards are basically on the Reserved List, it's been the primary issue of UB since its inception in 2020. With their reprints in lock down those cards become more expensive, even with UW versions, because those very specific versions can't be touched, this causes problems with the secondary market and if a player comes in later it will be more difficult for them to get a hold of any Gandalf, Cloud, or Doctor card thanks to the way UB works.
Through the Omenpaths is a pretty clear demonstration of their ability to print the cards without the license (yes, not physically, but the primary obstacle is dealt with).
Omenpaths is a necessary solution to another problem of UB, the license agreements. Various IP holders may just grant them partial use (like Disney/Marvel with the Marvel sets not giving digital licensing.) WotC has gotten lucky so far, mainly because most of the IPs they've gotten didn't show up in digital immediately and the IP holders being easy to work with, but as we've seen with Spiderman, that won't always be the case.
It's only been 2 years since LTR, less than it usually takes to reprint high demand new cards. You can ask "where's the One Ring reprint?" and blame licensing, but what about Sheoldred, the Apocalypse? Where's the reprint for that? Or Orcish Bowmasters which doesn't even need a new name? Wizards uses high value reprints to sell products, have done so for years, will continue to do so regardless of what licensing agreement spawned the original card.
UB has been around for 5 years, it initially started with reprint issues with Walking Dead planned to have NO REPRINTS of any kind, it was only later that UW was created that a solution actually happened, and even then Walking Dead wasn't included until 3 years after it released. With the removal of Set Boosters that solution is now gone and with WotC currently refusing to do UW normally (Omenpaths is a necessity for them currently and they wouldn't do it if they didn't have to.) Once an agreement is gone they cannot reprint those cards which practically puts them on the Reserved List.
Take Lara Croft as just as an example. It's nearly been out for 3 years (currently 2 years & 10 months) and not one hint of a reprint, UB or UW, in sight (they could have slipped in a UW in MH3.) A limited release mechanically unique card just sits there being unable to get a hold of, easily, due to how WotC released it. Which is why it's $40, even though the card's just okay.
With UB being 5 years old and with it planned to be half the game WotC absolutely should have come up with a solution to its inherent flaws, and while they did so early on, they currently do not and it doesn't seem like they care at this point. They are exacerbating the problems by not only not figuring this out already, but neglecting to do so even now as the issues begin to grow with the popularity, lack of product, and scalping of FF to how the licensing worked with Spiderman & Marvel.
Magic has always had a reprint problem, from the Reserved List to them using reprint equity as a way to make sure a set(s) sell well, but to not have a solution to their current biggest product line after 5 years is abysmal. It shows a lack of forethought and planning.
No. They have clearly demonstrated here, with new art and names as needed, their ability to reprint any card and even to do so nearly simultaneously with the original product. They have chosen not to reprint what they have not yet reprinted. Why reprint Lara Croft? As you noted, it's not that good or even popular, so a reprint won't sell packs. The only reason that they have to reprint it is that they said they would.
But it seems what you want is not just the card, the same for all purposes involving actually playing the game, but to have the aspects containing other companies' IP reprinted. I have to ask, why does it matter? If you don't want UB, the alternative seems much preferable and if you want UB, having the initial printing be the desired property seems preferable to not having it at all. So what do you want?
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https://magic.wizards.com/en/mtgarena/through-the-omenpaths/card-image-gallery
Differences
web-slinger = Enweb (Universe within)
Infinity = Terminus (Universe within)
(Infinity symbol) = Origin
a couple of them kept their names the same so those will be the easiest to reprint.
Symbiote believe it or not keeps its type in the mtg world, they have skin that resemble the surface of a Durian fruit, and they can mutate onto humans
And it¡¯s not just he mystery spider plane we see quite a few as well, even ¡°the edge¡± is shown (the weirdest one is the dinosaur spider hero, they cleverly did Ikoria for that one based on the looks of the art)
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I think those undead are actually either cellarspawn or wickerfolk
and maro saids there¡¯s no current plans right now but in the future I espect them to reprint these in future master set/precons/commander legend/other products will reprint them in these arts down the line
i, interested to learn where ¡°symbiotes¡± come from in mtg
Negative points:
Finally a good white villain quote: "So, do I ever re-evaluate my life choices? Never, because I know what I'm doing is a righteous cause."
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Of course, I'm beating a dead horse, but WotC probably doesn't care about catering to people like me because they already have my attention/money...
Money is a silly thing to base art and play on
In (maybe) unrelated news: I just realized that the multiplanar treatment of this might mean they get to use old unused art. They probably didn't have many pieces of art of a dude using an arachnid as a parachute lying around, but a Zendikari Goblin tied to a rock? Sure, I could see that.
Finally a good white villain quote: "So, do I ever re-evaluate my life choices? Never, because I know what I'm doing is a righteous cause."
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I look at something like Aunt May the Magic card, and I roll my eyes. I see Zora, Spider Fancier, and I love her! I also love Common Crook for being just a common crook. I only wish it could commit a crime.
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so I might go pseduo DFC with these (spider-man card on one side UW version on the other)
basically here and most other social media places is loud online minority, I come from quiet mainstream majority
I don't think it's a matter of "better job", i think that Marvel and Sony have their own videogames so they didn't want to sell license for that.
It's up to the IP holder to grant those things in the negotiation, in this case Disney/Marvel already gave out the digital license to another company, which is why this is happening. This very well may happen to the other Marvel sets as well, and I'm all for it. It means I can proxy these versions rather than not buy/use any UB.
In the end though WotC absolutely needs to figure out the reprint issues with UB. Once a license goes they can't reprint any of the UB cards as they are and they seem to be refusing UW versions.
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What reprint issue? Through the Omenpaths is a pretty clear demonstration of their ability to print the cards without the license (yes, not physically, but the primary obstacle is dealt with). It's only been 2 years since LTR, less than it usually takes to reprint high demand new cards. You can ask "where's the One Ring reprint?" and blame licensing, but what about Sheoldred, the Apocalypse? Where's the reprint for that? Or Orcish Bowmasters which doesn't even need a new name? Wizards uses high value reprints to sell products, have done so for years, will continue to do so regardless of what licensing agreement spawned the original card.
Maro said there¡¯s no current plans
but I see that as a ¡°right now¡± thing because all the sets made after it are already set in place without the reprints so after thst might be possible
I'm sure at the very least they're trying to find a slot for Fleem.
These are all contract issues that clearly needed better negotiation. There's no reason they can't renegotiate with marvel snap or get unlimited license to reprint, where we are now seems to have come from either skepticism on the part of marvel or a weak hand or low offer from hasbro. Now that they've sold more final fantasy cards than the last ten mtg sets combined or whatever I think they'll be more aggressive in future negotiations.
I definitely expect a fleem 2.0 pretty early in a product, I¡¯m just saying we probably won't see the paper version til atleast 2027-2028
oh by the way I think I have determined fleem might be from ¡°the edge¡± because of goben suit literally looks space like, the technology looks high tech, (including the halls/walls/building) and ¡°scientist¡± is a type only found in ¡°the edge¡± so far.
UB has a sole reprint issue. None of the UB cards can be reprinted without a new license agreement. I'm not speaking of UW, which WotC has stated no plans to do any at this time, for some reason, but the actual UB cards. A Gandalf the White cannot get a reprint at all without the consent from the IP holder; not a UW version, but that exact card with no changes. Without a license those cards are basically on the Reserved List, it's been the primary issue of UB since its inception in 2020. With their reprints in lock down those cards become more expensive, even with UW versions, because those very specific versions can't be touched, this causes problems with the secondary market and if a player comes in later it will be more difficult for them to get a hold of any Gandalf, Cloud, or Doctor card thanks to the way UB works.
Omenpaths is a necessary solution to another problem of UB, the license agreements. Various IP holders may just grant them partial use (like Disney/Marvel with the Marvel sets not giving digital licensing.) WotC has gotten lucky so far, mainly because most of the IPs they've gotten didn't show up in digital immediately and the IP holders being easy to work with, but as we've seen with Spiderman, that won't always be the case.
UB has been around for 5 years, it initially started with reprint issues with Walking Dead planned to have NO REPRINTS of any kind, it was only later that UW was created that a solution actually happened, and even then Walking Dead wasn't included until 3 years after it released. With the removal of Set Boosters that solution is now gone and with WotC currently refusing to do UW normally (Omenpaths is a necessity for them currently and they wouldn't do it if they didn't have to.) Once an agreement is gone they cannot reprint those cards which practically puts them on the Reserved List.
Take Lara Croft as just as an example. It's nearly been out for 3 years (currently 2 years & 10 months) and not one hint of a reprint, UB or UW, in sight (they could have slipped in a UW in MH3.) A limited release mechanically unique card just sits there being unable to get a hold of, easily, due to how WotC released it. Which is why it's $40, even though the card's just okay.
With UB being 5 years old and with it planned to be half the game WotC absolutely should have come up with a solution to its inherent flaws, and while they did so early on, they currently do not and it doesn't seem like they care at this point. They are exacerbating the problems by not only not figuring this out already, but neglecting to do so even now as the issues begin to grow with the popularity, lack of product, and scalping of FF to how the licensing worked with Spiderman & Marvel.
Magic has always had a reprint problem, from the Reserved List to them using reprint equity as a way to make sure a set(s) sell well, but to not have a solution to their current biggest product line after 5 years is abysmal. It shows a lack of forethought and planning.
I doubt an IP holder will allow unfettered use, even for reprints, of their product/IP. I know Disney will never let that happen. It's just the way these sorts of things work. Hell, take Hasbro as an example, they wouldn't let WotC use transform on the Transformers cards, even though Hasbro owns both WotC and Transformers. For the Gen 4 MLP show Hasbro just wouldn't let Lauren Faust, that show's creator, not use specific characters even though they weren't using them for anything.
Even when you're working for the IP holder they can be downright obstinate with what they allow.
No. They have clearly demonstrated here, with new art and names as needed, their ability to reprint any card and even to do so nearly simultaneously with the original product. They have chosen not to reprint what they have not yet reprinted. Why reprint Lara Croft? As you noted, it's not that good or even popular, so a reprint won't sell packs. The only reason that they have to reprint it is that they said they would.
But it seems what you want is not just the card, the same for all purposes involving actually playing the game, but to have the aspects containing other companies' IP reprinted. I have to ask, why does it matter? If you don't want UB, the alternative seems much preferable and if you want UB, having the initial printing be the desired property seems preferable to not having it at all. So what do you want?